Vancouver alt/indie media organizational for 2010 meeting liveblog via

Vancouver alt/indie media organizational for 2010 meeting liveblog via

NOTE: Respectfully shared in full for historical record and educational use. Original links and date intact for context.


VANOC Indie Media
This is my very first liveblog with CoverItLive. I’ll try to incorporate the Twitter streams

Since I’m double-booked I might end the liveblog early.

Dave is starting w/ the meeting.

Two quasi-official media centers for the 2010 (the official accredited and the another media center that Rob is going to talk about – UBC Robson Square). There’s an opportunity for a third version of having something a little bit different, invite grasroots media people to come and hang out with us and show that it can be done, that we can make somethign interesting and we can produce good content (for people to look back). Dave’s main goal is to have a lot of fun with it.

Comment From GregEh
might want to change the title, VANOC has no actual link to this.

Dave is describing that we might want to get to the point where tasks and committees might need to be formed. Any questions? Ok. No questions asked. Rob is going to talk about his experience and preview another event (Social Media and Olympics at Northern Voice).

Kris mentions the accredited media center – Rob takes on. The first media center – Canada Place Center – officially media accredited – assigned media passes. Apparently there’s some space – if you come from the major players in media, you won’t get access to that, apparently. The second one is the British Columbia International Media Center (BC Olympics Secretariat) – it comes down to – they are opening 3,000 non-accredited passes – Rob received one 2 weeks ago. Accepted for the BCIMC – he will be able to access daily briefs, etc.

The BCIMC will cater to big mainstream media – CTV they will be in the BCIMC – local television, major bloggers (but they don’t know by which criteria yet). In the current state of the items, they have received several applications (maybe thousands?). They’ve hired an external firm responsible for the validation of these applications.

The firm is BC-based. Rob is trying to remember the name of this firm (and the PR firm too). Whatever criteria they determine most of us won’t meet it (as Kris mentions). Good conversations, they are sending letters out, working on a matrix to figure out how they are going to assign the passes, etc.

2 weeks ago in the Sat version of The Province there was a big glossy TV Guide with details of the Cultural Olympiad. Trying to bring that up.

Northern Voice (is the second element) – Kris mentions that if you want to apply, you SHOULD apply but some may or may not get in. At the end of the day there might be more people out than in. This media center is for those who don’t meet the accreditation (i.e. the major media center, the BCIMC or the third option is this alt/indie media center).

They (BCIMC) might give this alt/indie center some stuff (like a blogger night or something). This is still on the BCIMC court. The center will be at UBC Robson Square. They’ll have good bandwith.

Comment From Guest
I think the media company overseeing details of the BCIMC is LBMG, Laura Ballance Media Group.

random observation: DaveO’s “open letter to VANOC” is #4 when you google “VANOC”

They are looking at art, Olympics, news, media, delivery, etc. (e.g. the big items, not the smaller player or prominent artists in the DTES). Rob is hoping that they’ll do something good with this.

On Feb 21st, Northern Voice is happening – it’s sold out – unfortunately :) What is happening there – Robert is inviting Andy Miah (Professor of Univ of Western Scotland – studies Olympic Studies) – Robert will be moderating – the conversation will be around the 2006 Symposium and Andy organized in 2008 – some of the social media content that Dave, Kris and Rob produced.

Don McDonald (BCIMC) – somebody for VANOC – Andy Miah and Debbie representing (2012).

What’s 2010 doing – what’s 2012 doing. Rob is hoping to start w/15 min of talk socmed presentation. Socmed from when this started (2006-2008-2010-2012).

Rob is hoping to have the conversation – why is the institution, VANOC not delivering blogs or social media, or why is that conversation not happening yet. There are several people on the local scene (Vision Vancouver, so forth) to come and deliver new social media things.

Comment From Anny Chih
I’m commenting so you know that I can read it.

Rob volunteered to take on some co-leadership in one of the committees that will be discussed tonight. The CNN (the Eye Reporter) might be interested in this, we need to continue the conversation.

Comment From Liesa (COPIK)
I can read and comment

Comment From snowboardexpert
I can read and comment

Bottom line – making a list of people who are saying they are interested, seeing how they could fit there, there are discussions on the real estate side. Moving forward – Rob’s thinking that he will need help from people who may need to contribute/collaborate w/a few tasks (5-6 people to take initiative with running/operations/PR)

Comment From Jeff Lee / Vancouver Sun
VANOC says it is interested in the soc/med debate and has some hand in online stuff, and they follow on twitter a bit but I still don’t sense that they are going to get involved in the gritty side of blogs.

They came up with a list of 3-6. Operations is one of the committees. This is a volunteer effort. If you DO have an interest, make sure you verbalize that and make sure that we move towards action. In terms of Sponsorship and Partnership Program, we might need to prioritize this and have some stuff sorted down by March 1st. People who are marketing-savvy could be great. Kris could use some help w/operation and logistics. Dave O is doing all the PR/communications – Rob has done some collateral work too.

Rob wants to make sure that all efforts are open to everyone. Kris asks whether people want to ask questions. They don’t have a name yet (the independent media center – so, more like alt/indie media center). Some people all it the alternative center.

DaveO emphasizes that it should be a-political, include culture, community, etc. This should be welcoming to everyone (from right to left, etc.). Bottom line – we’ll be restricted by accessibility, etc. so there are some real restrictions. We don’t know how that’s going to transfer in real time/real life.

Graduate student from SFU – working on an independent sub-committee on Olympics and providing some good points and advice. Rob mentions that there are probably 5-6 different alternative/independent media centers, etc. (and her name is Nava)

Comment From Jeff Lee / Vancouver Sun
Have you been able to locate a site yet? What about the place across from WW?

Matt (AP Blogs) mentions about creating hashtags, etc. for the media stuff. Kris is trying to explain that they’ll want to provide a venue for press conferences, arts, culture, journalism, etc.

RESPONSE TO JEFF LEE – No, apparently they haven’t located a site yet.

Rob is mentioning that they want to give an avenue to those people who couldn’t get to BCIMC or the Accredited VANOC media centers. They are looking at bringing in information that is happening at the street level.

Kris says – our agenda is to broaden the audience and facilitate access to those who couldn’t get on to the other two media centers.

Maurice Cardinal is asking a question on the location issue (Jeff Lee – there’s a discussion on this point now answering your question) – they are looking for the place to facilitate this – depending on revenue / finding sponsorship.

Maurice asks – have you conversed about how to invite athletes down to here?

DaveO wants to cover a couple of other points. Dario is asking – do we have an idea as to the budget? No, not really yet. We didn’t create a budget because right now all we have is a space (tentative), and that’s all. We need sponsor for bandwith, screens, equipment, gear, etc.

Comment From Jeff Lee / Vancouver Sun
Have you been able to identify sponsors who might be able to help you fund a media centre? What kind of costs do you figure you’re facing?

Lorraine mentions – a lot of people are feeling the pressure of lacking space – if we come up with a plan, we could probably take those impulses and direct them towards this effort.

@ JEFF LEE – I think that they aren’t yet sure as to the budget, Dario also asked this same question.

Nava – If you’re planning to take co-sponsorship, have you considered to take less of the smaller/local resources that are limited? ROBERT – The answer is – we’re looking at getting whatever resources we can.

There’s a discussion of who will be responsible for stuff (i.e. what are the problems possibly to be faced if content is not agreeable to VANOC).

Comment From Guest
would VANOC be publishing guidelines for appropriate content….maybe?

Answer to Guest – Not sure, but right now (I’m the liveblogger) there’s an intense discussion on whether we will or will not follow said guidelines. The idea is to prevent the “cease and desist” letter. Lorraine is explaining that this thing HAS to be apolitical and define ourselves that way (and yes, THAT is how we have defined ourselves as a-political, non partisan, etc.)

Comment From Benjamin Luk

This is a facility/service center (like a library) – this is NOT a group.

Comment From Jeff Lee / Vancouver Sun
Don’t forget that the organizing committee and the IOC in the ACCREDITED media centre don’t care what journalists write. They care about whether the images violate broadcast agreements. They’re not into censorship even of the mainstream media. The rule to pay attention to is whether you cross into their brand protection areas.

DaveO is explaining what happened with the focus groups (about what the socmed coverage is going to be). They are open to conversation. They are always running up against the IOC (VANOC). What Dave’s suggestion was – “there’s all this people out there, invite them and educate them towards learning the guidelines”

DaveO wants to talk about committees right now.

Comment From Guest
having protected areas of discussion is acceptable…but there has to be some guidelines as appropriate…

Am back to the liveblog. Colleen Coplick has some minutes of the 30 seconds speeches.

Kris is trying to distance this effort from anything that could remotely trump the success of this resource center.

DaveO made it clear in all the communications efforts (in a short-concise manner) – this is very respectful, it’s open, and having a dialogue, very openly and very publicly. So there’s no backroom deals, that kind of thing.

Three committees to start this process:

1- Scales (Sponsorship and Partnerships)

2- Kris (Space/Logistics/Operations)

3 – DaveO (Communications)

Comment From Cinci Csere
How many people are going to be covering the event, what size room or space is needed?

We are wrapping up the liveblog right now. Add everyone to the Wiki.

Communications will have a sub-committee (Technology – geek out on the wiki).

DaveO’s blog post about tonight’s meeting is here. Also I’m trying to find the Wiki. Yes, I could find the wiki. It’s here.

Ok, I’m done with the liveblog.

Comment From Johnny K9
How difficult is it to cover Luge as a spectator?

Comment From Johnny K9
Does Mexico have a shot for a medal in hockey?

Comment From Michael
Where’s the wiki?

@ Johnny – LOL

@ Michael – inserted in my liveblog.

Maurice is mentioning about some businesses/organizations w/large sums of money who might want to get involved but they don’t want to jeopardize their businesses.

@ Cinci – I don’t know if they know that right now.

Kris is opening the floor for everyone to join in.

Whatcha think?